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TE WANANGA. sion ; and in all fairness be would ask that the Chairman report progress, and that the discussion be resumed in the afternoon. He would promise not to take up the time of the Committee needlessly, or offer any obstruction. He would abide by the decision to which the Committee might arrive. He did not think it fair to be asked to continue the discussion at that hour of the morning.

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 17, 1876. Mr. SHEEHAN moved that the item be reduced by £5,000 ; and remarked that, on the previous evening, when the item for the Native Department was proposed, he confined himself strictly to the rules of debate in pro- posing the reduction ; but afterwards, as the debate went on, its area widened into a discussion upon the Native policy of the Government. In speaking to the question, he did not propose that the whole of these Native Assessors should be abolished at oue time. He distinctly stated that that would not be a wise step, but he was nevertheless convinced that large reductions could be made. First of all, they were told by the Government that these appointments were not made by Sir Donald McLean—that be found more than two-thirds of them there when he came into office ; but that was no answer to his statement that they were unnecessary. He did not say that they were appointed by Sir Donald McLean. He simply argued that they were there, that a great many of them might be dispensed with, and that reductions could thus be made. There were a few Assessors he would like to see retained, such as Wi te Wheoro, in the Wakato : Taipari, at the Thames ; and some other men of that stamp, who could be usefal to the Government, and lend the people in the right direction ; but when he was told that the whole of these Assessoro, for whom they were asked to vote salaries, were capable of doing the work which was expected of them, he could only laugh. Two- thirds of these Assessors might be dispensed with. Of course, he was speaking of those iu the North Island. In the South there was a very large European population, and a Native population which has become almost Euro- pean. There they might be of use ; but in the North the North there was a Maori Assessor for every 230 of the Maori population, which consisted to a large extent of women and children. The children were not lawbreakers, BO that they might put down 150 of the population for each of the Assessors. But it did not stop there. These Assessors were but a drop iu the bucket. Apart from the Magistrates and interpreters, who formed a considerable array, there were the police. In the estimates, wherever honorable members found the Assessors, they would also find the police. About three years ago, in a district in the Rotorua country inhabited by the Arawa, over £9.000 a year was spent among the Native people. He was safe in" saying that every member of the Arawa was an Assessor or an Assessor's Clerk, or a policeman or a police- man's clerk. However, over £9,000 was paid to which he thought consisted of not more than about 2000 adults; and he was within the mark in saying that nearly every adult in the tribe was a salaried officer of the Colo- nial Government. ' Well, it might be that there were re- ductions made in these estimates. Those reductions were evidences of the justice of the demands which he had made that those reductions should continue, and, it" pos- sible be on a larger scale than they had been hitherto. He would repeat that the labors of this department had not been an unmixed good -that in many parts of the North Island their policy had been one of of struction to settlement—that red tape, " I have the honor to be," and " Refer this to So-and-so to do what he thinks proper." bad been the watchword of this department. He had known of industrious people going to the North Island, who had been driven away by the obstructions offend by the Native Department. Last year they